What are your thoughts about gay marriage?
For or against? Should they have equal rights as a man and woman married? Do you think homosexuals are born that way or is it a choice.

remember: debate nice. no personal attacks on posters. everyone is entitled to their opinion. let's just have a nice debate. if someone disagrees with you doesn't mean that you have to attack that person. sometimes you have to agree to disagree. 

I believe it's not truly "freedom" till we are all equal. 

I'm neither for or against bc I think we should be able to make our own decisions on who we love. It shouldn't be a taking sides thing. All marriages should be treated the same. Idk how homosexuality happens. You will hear some parents say they they knew there child was gay at a very young age, even if the child didn't know what it meant at the time. So, maybe they are born that way... who knows.

I think the decision or discussion of mixed race marriages, same race, different culture, gay or straight, etc is really no ones business. 

why isn't this thread on the no drama bunderground? lol 

She asked that the topic that gave the link to the underground to be deleted and sent Kara a request to delete the underground. 

Im for. I have a great aunt and great uncle who are both gay. Have been for years.(I never knew until 5 years ago but every one else knew lol Im just a little slow)Both were married to the opposite sex apparently until they relized thats not what they wanted. My uncle has a son my age and my aunt never had children. But heres why I never relized they were gay...They say roomates and my aunts partner has her own room at their house.

but anyways Im FOR 

She asked that the topic that gave the link to the underground to be deleted and sent Kara a request to delete the underground. 
ahh i was wondering why i was deleted on there lol.


i am somewhat openminded for a closed minded person haha.
i treat everyone as equals person to person. i think that being in a gay special interest group should not give one more clout.

i know that soy based baby formula has given us a generation of men steeped in estrogen.
i know that there are some genetic links.

but i also know know that there are genetic links to any other aspect of the human condition
source

(don't take my above source to mean i think homosexuality is criminal-it's simply an example of the role of genetics and environmental factors along with one's own responsibility for one's actions)

i am genetically predisposed to not be the most agreeable person all the time.

but I trust my savior to give me grace.

i dont think that homosexuals should be shunned or bullied or the people who have sex outside of marriage. i did. just because i've done things doesn't mean i believe it morally correct.

i have gay relatives and a gay ex boyfriend.
i also "experimented" when i was younger. 

why isn't this thread on the no drama bunderground? lol 

I don't see why we as adults can't have healthy no drama debate on the topic. This is a forum were we can have open discussions without drama and attacks. If there is were the topic goes the MODS will edit, delete comments or lock and delete topics. But I believe we talk about this topic as mature women and men. 

so what do you think becky? 

I think the decision or discussion of mixed race marriages, same race, different culture, gay or straight, etc is really no ones business. 

These topics have been debated for years now. There is no harm in discussing it. Every time you turn on the TV you see debates about gay marriage now. It's being voted on in the courts so it's everyone's business now a days. 

I figure, it's none of my business who other people choose to love. It's THEIR life and THEIR hearts. Not mine. Not my business. Who am I to judge another person's decision to spend the rest of their life with another person, regardless of their gender? I don't CARE if they want marital benefits. I think they are entitled, regardless of what the Bible says about it being MORALLY wrong. They love each other. I refuse to judge any of that.

I am a Christian, but I hold as closely to the "no judgement" aspects of the Bible as accurately and emphatically as I can. As far as the rest of "this and that being WRONG" in the Bible...I mean, come on. We ALL live lives of sin. Comparing sins is just plain stupid. IMO. 

These topics have been debated for years now. There is no harm in discussing it. Every time you turn on the TV you see debates about gay marriage now. It's being voted on in the courts so it's everyone's business now a days.


I understand that, and my comment was not about your post, I'm just simply stating that I think it shouldn't be anyone's business, put on t.v. voted on, or whatnot. I however do feel that there is a harm in discussing it. It harms those who it is about. I doubt any of us would like or marriage spoken of like the world speaks of gay marriage.

Definitely nothing against your post or you... just in general. 

I am a Christian, but I hold as closely to the "no judgement" aspects of the Bible as accurately and emphatically as I can. As far as the rest of "this and that being WRONG" in the Bible...I mean, come on. We ALL live lives of sin. Comparing sins is just plain stupid. IMO.


Well said! 

i'm a christian and i found this fact really interesting:

a lot of people switch around the term sin and transgression/trespass as if they mean the same thing.

they actually don't.

sin is an archery term meaning "to miss the mark"
so sin=mistake, or result of our human condition/flawed dna

a transgression/trespass means a directly and on purposely wrong action against another individual.

source 

I am neither for or against. I think God would want everyone to be happy. What gets me is that it seems like we are being forced to accept gays. If in the future one of my kids, come to me and said they were gay (knock on wood) I certainly will not jump up and start planning the wedding, but I will still love them and accept their way of life. I have gay and lesbian friends, I don't think they are doing something wrong, but I don't like being pushed to accept something. For example: gays in the boy scouts or the Chick fil-A issue. Sorry - too political. 

WAIT, so if I give my honest opinion I won't be insulted? I don't know that will happen as my opinion on this is not popular but here it goes. And be aware, if I get insulted I will run to the MODS and tell on you! Alright, I don't discriminate against anyone, I am a firm believer that all human beings that are decent deserve respect as human beings, period. I do believe homosexuals are predisposed but not necessarily born that way. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it does to me. I don't believe that they should be allowed to legally marry. Why, because I feel at some point society needs to draw the line. I understand the whole medical benefits, and that really sucks, but guess what, I don't have medical benefits, neither do my kids, but we manage. As for rights to goods after death, there are wills for that. Now, why I feel a line has to be drawn? Where do we stop? So we allow them to marry, what are people going to fight next? Humans marrying things? Or grownups marrying children? There will always be people pushing the envelope. I feel the same way about marijuana! So we legalize marijuana, what's next, OH I want to legalize meth because it helps me with my __(enter malady of your choice)__. Or, hmmmm, let's legalize heroin or ecstasy. Where do we stop? So there you have my honest, from the heart opinion, you may think I'm ignorant, I call it agree to disagree. And like I said, this is supposed to be a grown up only thread so please respect me. 

OnaRoll, either way, everyone effs up. A lot. I SO STRONGLY believe in God's unconditional and amazing forgiveness. ;-) And I also believe in not screwing up as much as possible in the eyes of the Lord. Lol. 

Sandra, I respect your honesty, and although I don't agree with some of your remarks, it's no skin off my back. You are ENTITLED to an opinion! :) 

Thanks Maui! I know not many agree, but then again, it's not something I've EVER debated with anyone, it's just never come up, but I feel how I feel based on my head, nothing anyone said before me! 

question:

If you can marry someone of the same sex, can siblings marry if they are the same sex?

This is hard to answer for 2 reasons:
Almost everyone will feel uncomfortable with it but don't know exactly why.
They have a zero percent chance of having offspring that has a shared gene pool because they are the same sex and cannot reproduce.


this is why i give everyone grace even if they are addicted to meth or are doing something i don't think is moral, but i don't believe that it is MORAL, according to my world view, for same sex marriage to be legalized. i will never be hurtful to someone who is gay because their life is hard enough as it is. 

LOL! OnARoll, that's a little out of my comfort zone to even fathom.

Given how poorly siblings get along, in general, I don't see how many of them would even AGREE to marry. Lol 

If you can marry someone of the same sex, can siblings marry if they are the same sex?

My point EXACTLY!!! Because if they allow it, I can see people fighting for that too!! People are crazy sometimes and things that are so taboo are normal to them. Like that man on Nat Geo's Taboo show who was in love w/ his car and made out with it and just thought no big deal of it! 

Sandra, thanks for sharing your opinion...those are along the lines of what I my opinions are, but didn't want to make anyone mad, so I did not answer the last 2 questions. :) 

its true, but i'm sure that there are some "closeted" incestual relationships that won't come out for a few more decades...


i hope this thread stays positive. 

It's going well so far. :) Everyone is being respectful. 

I bet MO's itching to chime in! It's OK MO, as long as people stay grown up you'll get your chance! 

I think it's not my place to judge other people.

I'm for gay marriage because who am I to say what people do in their own lives?

I'm for equal rights because we are all human.

I think they're born that way.

Do I agree with everything people do? No. But again, it's not my place to judge and decide what they can and cannot do. I'm not in their lives, or their relationships. 

I think if they want to marry they should be allowed. I even agree to them having children. I think if a couple (same sex or not) are truely in love and can financially support a child why should they be denied the right? We see more "celebrity marriages" last sometimes a day or less which is in my opinion worse than a same sex marriage. 

I don't wish to tell anyone else how to run their lives, and I know that that is why this topic often gets so emotionally charged.

A lot of conservative christians/catholics/muslims end up polarizing this topic so badly that it becomes actual persecution.

I believe that WBC has done the most to actually help pass pro gay legislation because no one wants to be like those guys.

Just because I have my own beliefs and my own world view does not mean that I think everyone shares my worldview, so who am i to judge? i do, however, have a right to vote.


becky, this is your thread. post your perspective if you please:) 

becky, this is your thread. post your perspective if you please:) 

Well, my opinion on the topic is just that - my opinion and I'm sure it will tick off a lot of people but I will tell you how I truly feel and hope that ya'll can respect my opinion even if you disagree.

I believe what Scripture says. Homosexuality is a sin. The bible says that homosexuals will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. But Scripture also says that all sin is equal. I do not judge people lest I will be judged in the same manner. But God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. A man and woman fit together. People of the same sex do not. God does not make mistakes, He is perfect. I do not have the right to condemn homosexuals but I do not have to agree with the lifestyle. We as Christians are taught in Scripture to love all people and hate their sin. I try very hard to practice that. I am not perfect by any means, I sin daily but I also ask for forgiveness for those sins. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He is my Savior and my friend. And in my book, what he says goes.

So in saying all that; in a nut shell - I do not agree with the lifestyle that homosexuals lead. I do not believe that they should marry or have the same rights are a man and a woman have in the legally binding marriage. I am very old school about things in this world. I totally believe I was born in the decade. lol Times have changed and will continue to change around me but I stand firm in my beliefs and morals. But I must again say that I can not judge others - that is part of my moral code also.

Again, as I stated before please respect my statements even if you do not agree or like them. At least I am honest and I will not pussy foot around a topic just because someone may not like me now. We can agree to disagree and still be friends.

*stepping down from my soap box* :-)